Food truck issue ties City Commission in knots
For nearly two hours on Monday night, the Safety Harbor City Commission wrestled with proposed amendments to the city code that would define entertainment and amplified music and potentially relax the current restrictions on mobile food vendors in town.
Questions about how to gauge loud music, what constitutes entertainment and where is it permissible, as well as how, when and where mobile food vendors should be allowed to operate in town led to a lengthy discussion, with the food truck issue causing the most consternation among the five commissioners.
Currently, the city code allows mobile food vendors to operate, with a special permit, on private property in certain sections of the city where beer and wine is sold for on-site consumption between the hours of 10 p.m. and 2:00 a.m.
Some commissioners believe the restrictions should be loosened, allowing the trucks to operate in more areas and for longer time periods, while others believe the trucks should only be allowed in specific character corridors for limited hours.
“I think there’s a need in the community for food trucks, but again, in specific industrial areas throughout the city,” Mayor Andy Steingold said. “I think if you continue to move them throughout the city, instead of designate specific area, I think you defeat some of what we’re trying to do by sustaining some of our local businesses.”
“I agree,” Commissioner Cliff Merz added. “I’d like to try and keep it focused on the M1 (manufacturing) and industrial areas, areas where typically you’d have short, 15-20 minute breaks.”
However, other commissioners expressed different opinions.
“I am good within the SC2 having food trucks have later hours…until there’s (food) establishments in those districts,” Vice-Mayor Andy Zodrow said.
“I don’t think food trucks are going to compete with Main Street if they’re out in the SC2 and M1 districts.”
Commissioner Carlos Diaz concurred with the vice-mayor.
“I agree with you,” Diaz said. “I don’t think the food trucks are going to compete with other eating establishments. In fact, I’d like to see the hours widened up a little bit, from 8:00 p.m. till 2:00 a.m.”
Merz said they were dealing with two separate issues.
“One is morning food trucks in industrial parks, Monday through Friday. We’re all in agreement with that,” he said. “The other part is discussing what happens in the SC2 in the evenings and whether or not you can allow for food trucks not only in the SC2 but also in the downtown area and whether it makes an impact or not.”
Mayor Steingold stated he was opposed to having different rules for different sections of the city; his chief concern was allowing the restrictions to be loosened for one SC2 business in particular, Crooked Thumb Brewery, whose owner, Kip Kelly, originally petitioned for the code change.
“You’re talking about one specific area and one specific business and one truck,” he said. “I have a difficult time with that.”
On that point, Commissioner Janet Hooper concurred with the mayor.
“I have a hard time making it one over here and one over there,” Hooper said. “I still believe our restaurants deserve to have priority during the normal eating hours, whatever normal is.”
After taking public comments on the issue, a majority opinion quickly became clear.
“We support allowing more versatility,” Safety Harbor Chamber of Commerce president and CEO Susan Petersen said. “We think that it will encourage new and interesting types of businesses, and it will help make Safety Harbor an even more appealing destination than it already is.”
“I don’t really understand the restrictions of any specific area,” resident Aaron Bower said. “It seems as if that area of Safety Harbor where the brewery is…attracting more people to that area.”
“So whatever you do, please apply any rules equally to everybody,” he added. “I think we should embrace anyone in any of these areas who’s trying to bring development and cohesion to this area.”
Comments from the next two speakers tipped the argument in the favor of the pro-food truck crowd.
“Since the brewery came in and other businesses have opened up, I’m seeing a lot more of an increase (in business),” Louis Kinney, general manager of the Whistle Stop Grill located near Crooked Thumb, said. “The brewery has brought a lot of business to the area, business that was not coming to this area normally. Any day there has been a food truck there, I showed an increase in sales over my normal increase.”
“Not everybody eats food truck food. So allowing them or not allowing them, I don’t think will have that much of an impact,” he added. “We’re still getting what we need, and we’re still getting what we want. Allowing a food truck at the brewery…isn’t a big deal.”
“It’s just a matter of so much regulation,” Café Vino Tinto owner Kent Runnells said. “To regulate every little aspect is why we’re held back.”
“You need to worry about your merchants surviving,” he continued. “They’re getting smothered with regulations….People are trying to make things work, but every single step of the way, it’s a lot of regulation. I would urge you to try and loosen up a little bit on some of that and not pay lip service to pro-business, but try to create an environment that is pro-business, simply with less regulation.”
The comments, especially those from Kinney, appeared to carry some weight with the commissioners.
“What I found particularly interesting was Louis from Whistle Stop,” Commissioner Merz said, adding, “data always helps.”
“They’re the closest ones that would have an impact from it, and if they are seeing an increase, to me that provides additional info that having it there perhaps isn’t as bad as we think.”
Following more discussion, the commission ultimately recommended relaxing the restrictions by allowing food trucks to operate in any district in town from 3:00 p.m. until closing time, Friday through Sunday, and from 10 p.m. until closing Monday through Thursday.
Additionally, they agreed to incorporate language in the code allowing food trucks in the industrial district Monday through Friday between the hours of 8:00 a.m. and 2:00 p.m., as well as provide clarification on allowable entertainment and noise.
The changes will be submitted to the Planning and Zoning Board for approval sometime after the New Year, and will come before the commission for final approval after that.
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Another empty storefront after today. Edgewater and Mains closing
Thank you to Susan Peterson from the Chamber of Commerce on her comments in regards to encouraging new and interesting types of businesses and pushing to allow more versatility. Thanks to Louis Kinney at Whistle Stop for indicating that the brewery is bringing more business to the area to support a more vibrant Main Street. Thanks to Kent Runnels and his daughter Logan for taking a chance on opening Cafe Vino Tinto on Main Street and indicating there is so much regulation for the businesses and that the city should focus their efforts on merchants surviving. Thank you to the residents that showed up on Monday night to support the efforts of making a more vibrant downtown. I moved and live in the downtown because in the Webster’s Dictionary the definition for a downtown community is: the main business district of a town or city. If I wanted quietness, lots with a lot of grass, and much space between neighbors, I would of moved to a subdivision. I have nothing against subdivisions, I lived in a great one for 18 years in Pinellas county and totally support individuals who want to live in one. Everyone has a choice on where they want to live. Living in a downtown correlates to having a different housing strategy and the main business district/Main Street of the town should be vibrant.
Are they seriously talking about either side of the midnight hour – how about letting them in the industrial area around Crooked Thumb & the auto shops at LUNCH ?
This is exactly the kind of deep thought that makes us super excited to have Janet Hooper as our next mayor!
Dan managed to come up with a strategy to hurt a local business by using his noggin’!
We’re sure Dan realizes (the astute researcher that he is) that Crooked Thumb is NOT open for lunch. He must share the same goals as Janet’s campaign – decreasing the size of our community by making is less desirable and with zoning hat encourages urban sprawl.
Go Hooper!
Sprawling,
Dan wasnt talking about the trucks for the Thumb, but for the nearby businesses , including the 2 auto shops during their lunchtime.
Vote Ayoub for Mayor if you want:
More 7 story condos
Less trees, more concrete
Large apartment complexes
Someone who does not listen to the residents
These are facts, and are all documented by his voting record while in office.
No comparison or reference to unsavory characters, no trash talk, no name calling, not necessary to vilify Joe Ayoub, his record speaks for itself.
Someone you never see around town unless he’s running for office. Disappeared from the public eye after his two failed bids to be elected to office, and only resurfaces to run for office a third time.
Tough decision Harborites, let’s get it right.
As always, thank you for your time.
– The Riddler –
Janet Hooper couldn’t even manage her personal finances and was sued by Bank of America.
Did anyone stop to think what an odd trajectory she’s had? She went from being practically homeless to suddenly living in a very nice home in the south side of town to becoming a commissioner and then running for mayor in the span of two years without much of a resume. Puppet? Maybe when she says ‘Community First’ she just means the family that financially enables her rise to power.
I wonder if the person who owns the home where Janet stays rent free might have something to do with that?
We don’t care about any of that , frankly. We support Janet Hooper because she supports urban sprawl and really doesn’t understand urban planning at all.
Dear Sprawling,
It’s amazing how supportive of Ms Hooper you are. I hope she knows and appreciates all the publicity you have given to her. I feel certain it will most certainly help get her elected. I am not certain you have all the facts in reference to the bankruptcy but will leave that alone for now. However, I know you have not presented all the facts , but a distorted version of what really happened, without any back story. That’s disappointing since you’ve been so supportive in other ways.
In the meantime I would love to share this with you and your many followers.
Hello Harborites, The Riddler here, coming to you live on this fine day in January, with a Campaign 2017 Update.
Not surprisingly, the Tom Foolery has reared its ugly head in the Harbor.
Word on the street is those darn campaign signs have once again started to disappear. I know, shocking, right?
Could anyone tell me the point in doing this? Everyone surely knows trespassing and thievery is against the law.
Look what happened to Jim Barge when he was caught on camera removing an Andy Steingold sign. He made the 6:00 news on local TV. Was it worth it Jim? Those lawsuits could not have been cheap.
I would suggest thinking twice before taking anyone’s campaign sign, especially if you don’t want to end up in the same predicament as Mr Barge. One never knows who or what may be watching. I have a camera pointed at my campaign sign, and highly recommend everyone do the same thing.
Come on people, focus on something more important than removing campaign signs. Support your candidate within the framework of the law, providing them support in a positive fashion.
Thanks again for your time Harborites, stay legal…
– Riddler –
Sprawling,
I was not aware of the past financial troubles Janet Hooper had. I see your point, how can she manage a city and it’s finances when she gave up her Clearwater home in lieu of foreclosure? Hmmm. Stay tuned Harborites, this may not be a touch decision after all. My bad.
-The Riddler-
My bad. Joe doesn’t want all concrete and no trees. What was I thinking? Everybody loves trees. And I have been hearing from fellow residents how much he really does care about Safety Harbor and making it the best it can be. Especially the business owners on Main Street are listening and spreading the good work.
-The Riddler-